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Thursday, July 07, 2011
Is your neighbour gay???
Two months back, I met a a guy in a class where I was the teaching assistant. He came as a guest speaker by special invitation from the professor. He was quiet, extremely well behaved and a very efficient speaker. He was barely 27- my age.
So what was it that he talked about which made this otherwise simple guy so interesting?
He talked about how he was threatened to be stoned to death in the country he was born and raised and educated. And how his mentor was lynched a month back and how he had to run away and seek political asylum in a strange country where he has no friends or family.
All because- he is GAY!!
I couldnt sleep for days!. Stoned to death? Really? In 2011?? Well, things happen and I forgot about the kind young guy who was almost killed for his sexual orientation.
Until yesterday- when my Brazillian landlord asked me about the flippant remark of the health minister of the worlds largest democracy. Ghulam Nabi Azad apparently thinks homosexuality is a disease and is unnatural. But I cannot judge him- because me too thought so a long time back.
The religion I believe in taught me homosexuality is a sin. Like any good church going girl, I blindly believed it. For that matter, nobody bothered to even let us know what homosexuality is. It was a sin. Period.
Even when my brain developed enough to question other such blind beliefs, I did not dare to venture to understand the mystery shrouding this particular topic. Partly the reason was I did not know any gay/lesbian/bisexual person then. Through the teachings of the church and the cultural upbringing I had made me believe they are some kind of monsters like murderers, rapists or child molesters. The other part reason was a story from the Bible- the story of Sodom and Gomorrhah.If the Bible gives a story of how it destroyed two cities because of homosexuality-it must be a sin. That was my half baked thought and rationale.
But if you need to rationalize too much about something, something is wrong somewhere.
I realized that quickly- when I had my first gay friend. He was not the media celebrated fashion stereotype gay. He was an extremely good hearted, passionate and kind human being. Someone who cared deeply about the injustice in the society and tried in his own little ways to make a difference. My, stubborn religiosity thought he is an exception. But I kept on meeting and making new friends whose only difference between me and them were their sexual orientation. Most of them were good people. (I wont harp on the farcical ones-because they exist everywhere-in every race, color, creed, gender and even in sexual orientation).Most of them did a lot of good compared to the 'straight' 'sinless' people.
My sanity will not let them be labelled 'sinners' anymore. I didnt have to find any reasons. But if I had to- I realized if I followed the Bible blindly- I would have to wear a head gear, should not talk amongst men, cannot eat a lot of things I eat and will be probably stoned to death myself for countless other sins. Who am I to judge?
And the famous Sodom and Gomorrha story- suddenly it made sense; in the right way. The story talks about an entire city full of men knocking at Lot's door demanding to have his male guests. Lot offers his daughters; but they decline it and continue demanding the men. Everyone assumes homosexuality is the sin here. But what if the roles are reversed- what if the guests were female and the whole city of men was demanding them? Wont it be still a sin?? Ofcourse yes. Im no Bible pundit. But my humble view is that the sin in Sodom and Gomorrha in that particular instance would have been gang rape.
Not that now I need a Biblical reference to quench my conscience.
Because I believe in a religious philosophy- which teaches to Love thy neighbour as thou love yourself.
And if my neighbour is gay?--- my conscience never fails to give me the right answer.
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Hello there DO NOT REBUKE WHAT GOD"S WORD SAYS
ReplyDeleteThe Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin. Let's look at what it says.
Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1 Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.
Im not going to argue biblically to you. But this is the same argument the Jewish priest had about adulterers and money lenders. Jesus was kinder to them than to the priests. And those who have not sinned can only judge!
ReplyDeleteSo you are saying the word of God is not true..Excuse me i don't argue either but the We are supposed to obey God's word and God's word says its a sin period..
ReplyDeleteThere is no one WHO IS sinless..if there were God won't have sent his only begotten Son to die for us..
Yes Jesus loves sinners and the gay, and the fact is they are sinners too..coz the bible says so..
If homosexuality was so right why did God create ADAM and EVE and not ADAM aand ADAM??
as per your theory the story goes like this..
Genesis 19
Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are THE MEN (NOTE)who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” ..
NEEDLESS TO SAY ALL THE OTHER VERSES TELL US THAT IT IS WRONG JUST AS MURDER AND TELLING LIES IS WRONG..
But the good thing is that God still loves them just as he loves us sinners..and if we repent and ask for forgiveness he is more than willing to be the Lord of our Life..
GOD HATES SIN BUT LOVES A SINNER SO HE DIED FOR A SINNER MAY IT BE ANY GAY Y..LYING U NAME IT HE DIED SO WE CAN BE FREE FRM SIN..
Thanks for your comments. But lets agree to disagree. Your view of Gods word and mine is entirely different. And reg: the sodom and gomorrha story- my argument is-- Its not homosexuality; which was condemned; but cry for gang rape, xenophobia and inhospitality. Gang rape being the worst!!
ReplyDeleteMy conscience refuse to accept that its right to stone someone to death because he is gay.
This article captures the best reply I can ever give- http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian.
Peace out!
It boggles my mind when people cite the bible to speak against homosexuality. It's when I put my weapons down and accept defeat.
ReplyDeleteI think you make a great point, Jina, when you say that if you were to follow everything in the bible, you'd still be living in the dark ages. If one is going to use a holy book to spread hatred and spew venom, we are doomed!
ITS WRONG TO STONE ANYONE FOR ANYTHING ...JESUS HIMSELF STOPPED THE PEOPLE FRM STONING A WOMEN CAUGHT IN ADULTERY.
ReplyDeleteI JUST DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR POINT THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A SIN..AND I WAS TELLING YOU WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS..
IT IS NOT AGREEING OR DIAGREEING IT AS SIMPLE AS OBEYING GODS WORD ..WHEN GOD SAYS ITS WRONG U OBEY AND DONT DO IT..IF U R HOMOSEXUAL U REPENT ..
I DONT GO AROUND STONING PEOPLE..NEITHER DOES JESUS DO THAT..
I LOVE PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY COZ CHRIST TELLS US TO LOVE EVERYONE..BUT I DO NOT THINK WHAT THEY PRACTICE IS RIGHT SIMPLY BECOZ GOD SAYS IT IS NOT RIGHT..
IF YOU AGREE TO DISAGREE.IT IS ONLY DISAGREEING TO WHT GOD SAYS..DISOBEYING HIS WORD..
Well Sampada
ReplyDeletethere are millions following the bible and living in this new age..happy to be Christians..they are called bornagain christians..which age are you living in?
Jina,
ReplyDeleteWhat an article...I am really impressed with your boldness and courage to speak out....
Let me tell the Jesus_loves30 friend below to also quote the scriptures that Jesus himself spoke. Let me quote it on your behalf:
John 1:12New International Version (NIV)
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
John 3:16New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
These scriptures clearly state that "Whoever believes in Jesus" have the right to become children of God and will not perish but have eternal life. The "Whoever" includes homosexuals and straight. Jesus did not differentiate between the two orientation. If Jesus felt homosexuals would not make it to heaven, he would have made it very clear. He just said "Whoever believes."
And regarding 1 Cor 6:9-10, it clearly says the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Unrighteos means those who have not been made right with God by believing in Jesus.
The only way to the Kingdom of Jesus is by believing in him. If a homosexual is condemned after believing in Jesus, so would a liar and any one who gets angry or commits any kind of Sins. Because Sin is the same in God's eyes. The only Sin God is concerned about is rejecting Jesus death on the cross.
This message is from your friend who cares.
Great post, Jina. Every person is brought up with a set of preconceived notions and judgements but it is up to that person to question his or her beliefs at every point in life and see if they still make sense. I would probably not like the person I was 10 years ago. Even in Christianity, as Martin Luther showed, dissent is permissible and every person should decide for themselves what 'sinful behavior' is.
ReplyDeleteAs you also point out, I cannot understand how some people (like your prolific commenter) can only cite one aspect of the Old Testament. Why not seek to enforce the other ones, many of which you cite? BTW it is call the Old Testament for a reason. I doubt Jesus would voice similar opinions hence the New Testament. It's like singing the praises of Windows 95 when you have Windows 7 available :)
Patrix, Thanks!! I agree- If we never question our beliefs- we will never grow as a person. Im sure a cannibal is araised up to believe that it is his duty to eat other humans.
ReplyDeleteThe issue with scriptures is it all depends on the intrepreter. And there are passages in the new testament also which supposedly opposes homosexuality. But again, people intrepret it differently and some say its the culture and context, some say its the prejudice of St Paul..et al. I respect the Bible; but like "Love your neighbour" commented the essence of Christianity is love and I fail to understand how anyone can spew so much hatred to another-be it for any reason. (I can understand if he/ she is a rapist or child molester- the others my take is- Im noone to judge)
Yes I agree with you yes it is true that if a homosexual accepts Christ he will be in heaven thanks to Jesus death on the cross..what i was saying is that homosexuality is sin period..
ReplyDeleteof course all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..the wages of sin is death ..believing in Him in the death of Jesus involves realising that you are a sinner(homosexuality lying every sin that God hates) and repenting and asking God to cleanse you from your sin.. of course then you become a child of the most high GOD..but you are no longer Gay..coz u have repented of your wrong..
you are right with GOD that is ur not gay not a murderer not a lier...etc..
thats my point..
And there is division even among the religious ... the different denominations within Christianity also hold varying opinions, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominational_positions_on_homosexuality
ReplyDeleteAnd you've written about how your faith affected your position on the matter ...but negative perceptions of gays have as much to do with culture as religion. GLBT folks were such a marginal group it was easy to make assumptions about them. But now that they are more "out"- in media, pop culture and in real life - so we're forced to reexamine our prejudices.
I am not born with a preconceived notion I am a Christian and I believe the word of GOD that is the BIble..I love Gay people just as i love my self and any other person on earth becoz God tells me to do so..the fact of the matter is as a christian I believe the whole bible..Jesus didn't come to abolish the law in the old testament but to fulfill the law..and the quotes i have given are both from new and old testament. As a christian we dont decide for ourselves we choose to agree with God and what he says ..God gives us the freedom ..I choose what is right in GOD's sight.
ReplyDeleteI agree Ash. The differences within the church on this matter is mind boggling.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, for me- the culture probably act as a barrier now than earlier. If I say, Im okay with gays back home even now- I will be frowned up on. But then, I will be frowned up on if I hug one of my guy friends too. I was talking largely from my personal perspective.
But yeah, on the large- media and culture played a big role in closing them out and now bringing them in the open as well
So just wondering- should we also stop eating pork? Women should cover heads? And not talk amongst men?? (Just a few-from both old and new testament).
ReplyDeleteIsnt the spirit of the bible more important than the letter?? And who intreprets whats is right in GOD's sight?
"Most of them did a lot of good compared to the 'straight' 'sinless' people" . Can't agree more with it.. Sometimes I believe most of this hyped because think of it, gays and eunuchs have been a part of history for long. We need to accept them as they are however we shouldn't promote it as a fad.
ReplyDeleteWell yes women shd cover their head its the new testament teaching in our church and many others they do it depends on a woman if she wants to obey the teachings...shd not talk amongst men that is not written anywhere in the bible..eating pork that was for the jews but some do follow it still..yes the spirit is important.and the word of God is inspired by the spirit of GOD thats why its called Gods word..the word of GOD tells us what is right in his sight...thats why i quoted all those verses from the NT and OT..
ReplyDeleteif you choose to disagree with the God's word its your choice..for me still homosexuality is a sin as lying murder and anything else is..the things you r mentioning are secondary ..the most important thing is to be right with God Jina..and as per the spirit inspired word of God being homosexuail is not being right with God.
Jesus loves 30 friend, I really think you should read the bible in the right context instead of making your own interpretations.
ReplyDeleteIf a homosexual sins after believing in Jesus and would go to hell then SO WOULD YOU. Because you have also sinned after believing in Jesus. Show me one Born again Christian who does not sin. Going by your logic every born again Christian or rather every person on this planet is destined to Hell.
Obviously your logic is incorrect.
The only way you go to Jesus, is by believing in Jesus death and resurrection. Ephesians 2:8. says that You are Saved by GRACE and not WORKS.
Jesus dies for all our sins, past - present & future. So if a homosexual - according to you Sins after believing in Jesus, he will still make it to heaven because the homosexual is also saved by Grace and not by works. Just the same way you will make it to heaven even though you sin after believing in Jesus.
Because Salvation has nothing to do with how right or perfect you are. Rather it has everything to do with How Right and Perfect Christ's sacrifice on the cross is.
Don't be suprised if you see a Homosexuals in heaven. You might as well learn to love them now here on earth. They are as normal as you and I are.
I think knowing Jina, she is just as much a born again Christian as you are. Just a little less judgemental and more loving and more accepting reflecting the love of Christ. Can you show me a single place in the Bible where Jesus said "Practicing Homosexuals will not make it to heaven" Jesus did not say that because the only way to Christ is by receiving him in your heart. SIMPLE.
So let's not complicate this any more. If you cannot earn your salvation by WORKS you cannot keep it by WORKS. It is only by GRACE.
This is the verse which usually they quote for women not talking amongst men- “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a
ReplyDeletewoman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). But it can be intrepreted in different ways.
I respect your choice to believe what you believe!.
A video of a Man of God- who gives a good explanation of what is right in God's sight and why.
ReplyDeletehttp://edificationtube.com/play/Ravi_Zacharias_Answers_Question_On_Homosexuality
I hope this explains things better..
And pray that some day all who think it is okay to be Gay realise how it hurts God's heart ..
Jesus_loves 30: Are you saying that you never Sin. Because according to your logic, if you Sin even once after believing - you will not make it to heaven. Do you really think the sacrifice of Jesus was so weak that by your one sin, it made your salvation redundant even though you believe in him.
ReplyDeleteIf you think you will go to heaven even though you are not perfect after believing in Christ - then why do you condemn a homosexual, who in God's eyes is pretty much the same category - a sinner like all of us in need of grace.
I think when you truly discover the power of the love of Christ that was demonstrated on the cross, it will change your faith walk and your attitude towards sections of society that you stand in judgement of.
Can you show me a single piece in the bible that says practicing homesexuality will make it to heaven the fact of the matter is if you love God if you are truelly bornagain you would realize that being homosexual is wrong and you would repent..whether its now on earth or heaven when God judges you is upto you..yes i agree they might be someone who proclaimed to be bornagain but was homosexual but if they are truely bornagain the spirit living in them will convict them of their wrong ..bottom line is do you think it right to be homosexual? or okay to be homosexual ? u cant keep sinning without repenting..of course i agree than they can be saved too..but i do not agree that is the right thing to do.. do you? God will judge each one for wht they do..
ReplyDeleteJina,
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and I quote the verse you quoted 1 corinthians 6 heaven is a place for sinners saved by grace..
ReplyDelete"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. . 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
..Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
No I am not saying that I do not sin there is no one perfect on earth but when we get to heaven we will be like him so God will change us to be like him and then there will be no sin..The beauty of the Love of Christ is that he forgives us of all sin as you rightly said.but as God's spirit lives in us it helps us not to sin and if we do because our flesh is weak we repent because Go'd spirit prompts us that we are wrong..you can't keep sinning without repentance and just because God's grace is free it does not give us the liberty to just remain Gay.. being a Christian I think we want to please God and try our best with his strength to do what pleases him ..and being Gay doesnot please him..i do not condemn a homosexual i am just saying it is a sin which Jina and you i guess thinks is not thats all..what you stated is true a homosexual is a sinner just as we are but if he thinks he doing the right thing is that good..no if otheres think it right to be gay is that good obviously not so i was telling what is right thats all.. requoting what God's word says..
ReplyDelete"This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation. ..
I hope it makes sense..
To be more precise..quoting a friend here..
ReplyDeleteI, “Can a Christian commit [adultery, homosexual sex acts, fornication, bestiality, incest, etc.] and continue in such a sin without suffering the chastisement of God?”
The answer to this question is “No, if you are not disciplined by God for your sin you are illegitimate and not a son.” (Hebrews 12:8) Such people are to be disciplined and upon refusal to repent they are to be excommunicated and considered an unbeliever. (1 Cor. 5:11)
Or another way to put it, “Is a Christian who commits [adultery, homosexual sex acts, fornication, bestiality, incest, etc.] living in obedience to Jesus Christ?”
Again, the answer is “No, for disciples of Jesus Christ seek to live according to His word and such sins are against the body.” (1 Cor. 6:9-20]
OBJECTIVELY a Christian is a person who has been lawfully baptized and not excommunicated. Though there may be many who are tares and not wheat, goats and not sheep, wolves and not shepherds such separation does not come until judgment day. (Matthew 25:32)
It is on the basis of their baptism and their claim to be a Christian that I call all adulterers, homosexuals, fornicators etc. in the church to repent, warning them as did Paul that such will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
SUBJECTIVELY whether they truly have faith and have been regenerated is not for me to determine. Although I know not all Israel are truly of Israel (Romans 9:6) I cannot look into their heart nor into the
If you TRULY KNOW God, Love Him and keep His commands then the Truth is in you. If you are living in sin willfully (i.e. having homosexual relations) you do not Love God, or truly know Him and you are most certainly NOT keeping His commands.Certainly, God loves the homosexual (man and woman), but it GREIVES Him greatly to see His creation, desacrilizing what He created for a man and woman (wife) to have as sacred. Life giving. Homosexuality is not life giving….I could say more, but I will end here.
I guess you are totally misunderstanding me ..probably not read all the comments I posted...anyways
ReplyDeleteI agree Jesus has forgiven all but one always must repent not live in sin once you are saved..when i read what u have written it aounds as if one can do whatever they want to do be homosexual do any sin but o am a christian everything i do is forgiven so i can go on doing anything thats not how it works in my book..one should not greive the holy spirit..i am talking not in regards to the world but in regards to a believer living in din after being saved..
In answer to your question, no I do not believe that once a person is saved he lives a life on earth without sin. The Bible doesn't teach any such doctrine and in fact it teaches the very opposite. One of the primary passages dealing with the believer's (that is, those who are saved) attitude and position on sin is 1 John. This epistle was written to first century Christians and addresses the concepts of sin, believers and nonbelievers. Verses 6 and 7 state "If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not know the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin." The above passage shows that those who are believers will not be in habitual sin - with the idea of walking in the darkness having a connotation of intentional, repetitive disobedience.However, John follows these verses with "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Here, the apostle says that Christians who claim to be sin free are deceiving themselves and he calls into question their very salvation for making such a claim! You see, the idea of being born again means that we should be transformed day by day into the image of Christ. Although we should strive for perfection (Matt. 5:48), it doesn't mean that we'll be perfect. When we're born again we receive a new, godly nature (Eph. 4:24), but our old nature also still exists. Paul talks about this in Romans chapter 7 when he says "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not... For I joyfully concur with God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members." (vss. 18,21) Here we can see how even Paul struggled with sins in his own life, but he knew he was saved and he would be victorious one day.This is why Paul makes such big deal about God's grace in the book of Romans. He writes "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him." (Rom. 5:8-9) He also says "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand." (vss. 1-2) Paul knows that he cannot stop sinning, but he rejoices in the fact that God will forgive him of his sins through grace. Grace means that we can be forgiven.So, since Christians are saved, does that mean that they can sin whenever they want? No, it doesn't. Paul makes it clear that Christians don't have a free ride either. Right after he wrote the verses mentioned above, he said "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?" John also shows that sin shouldn't be taken lightly, but needs to be confessed by the Christian "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1John 1:9) As I said at the beginning of this letter, Christians should strive for perfection, even though they know they won't attain it. Jesus sums this up best when He said "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15)I hope this has helped you better understand the role of grace and sin in the life of note - the believer.
ReplyDeleteI dont think it is irrelevant what you do after u r saved.. you seem to give everyone the license to do anything..any sin..forever and that includes homosexuality when they accept Christ..thats just not true you cannot keep on grieving the holy spirit..Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments..and he didn't command us to be gay hello..do it does matter..how you live once u r saved..we are to be Christ like..being christ like as we grow in him not remain in our dead sinful works always..
ReplyDeleteYou like to have the last word, so I will let you have it....Go read the book "Destined to Reign" by Pastor Joesph Prince. It might change your life forever.
ReplyDeletePeace
Jesus_loves30, you are ignorant and an idiot.... but I still love you. That's what Jesus would have said...
ReplyDeleteI HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR..
ReplyDeletedo you think if a bornagain believer in Christ murders someone keeps on murdering people till he dies ..you think he will be in heaven with you.????
@Patrix: Stack Overflow :)
ReplyDeleteThe best bible verse saying its wrong is Rom1 :25 -28 clearly states that homosexuality is wrong..AND NOT NORMAL ..thank God for his word i don't have to depend on anyone's book to believe something wrong you profess .."love ur neighbour"
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of us 'customise' religious principles for our benefits. I was discouraged to eat pork while I was young, so I don't have much of an appetite for it. However I was allowed to talk amongst men and allowed to pray without covering my head. I find a lot of fundamentalists who do not know the basic books in the Bible but patronize all these simple acts. They gossip, curse their neighbours, gobble like a glutton but 'practise' their religion.
ReplyDeletegay=sinners...stupid idea...Jesus's philosophy, Bible, and the interpretation of it are probably three different things....religions have been made rigid much later by people for their own benefit....i do not want to talk about that..but I have gay friends, they are just like normal people, just with a different choice...
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very well written! i guess homo-sexuality is still a taboo atleast in some people's mind coz, the only gay-like people they see is cross-dessers seen in traffic signals. they are dressed as women only coz that gives them money! once they meet the 'real gay' people things will change - just the way it happened for you.
ReplyDeleteyes Sampada..well i believe exactly what the bible says..it's sad to see that you don't but i will pray for you and one day you surely will and i hope that day is not far away..and u realize what the truth is..
ReplyDeletei love you too..i won't say you are ignorant or an idiot..
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ReplyDeleteIts encouraging to see that you questioned your belief when you felt something was wrong. That takes courage and honesty.
ReplyDeleteThanks Ramya. I dont know whether its courageous--coz courage will require difficult circumstances.I didnt have any--I just chose to change my beliefs
ReplyDeleteThanks Sandeep. Yes, experiences make us all a better person, I guess!
ReplyDeleteThank you.:)
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